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Donation of TLF word processor

Daniel Freeman
I've started a new thread for this, as the discussion started off-topic.

I agreed to donate my TLF-based word processor to this group.

@Harbs said he'd be interested to help getting it ready for donation - and
I wondered if anyone else would be interested in helping to get it ready?

It was quite a sophisticated and self-indugent project.  Text Wrapping
wasn't its only novel feature.

I've decided to bundle it with e2vector, as they share many classes, and
the two apps work together.

http://e2easy.wordpress.com/2010/04/28/e2publish-video-tutorials/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvakUrX9Hvc

What licensing do I use to hand it over?  MadComponents is MIT licensed -
do I use the same?  Any particular text comment to put at the top of the
source code?
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Re: Donation of TLF word processor

Alex Harui



On 2/22/13 8:54 PM, "Daniel Freeman" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I've started a new thread for this, as the discussion started off-topic.
>
> I agreed to donate my TLF-based word processor to this group.
>
> @Harbs said he'd be interested to help getting it ready for donation - and
> I wondered if anyone else would be interested in helping to get it ready?
>
> It was quite a sophisticated and self-indugent project.  Text Wrapping
> wasn't its only novel feature.
>
> I've decided to bundle it with e2vector, as they share many classes, and
> the two apps work together.
>
> http://e2easy.wordpress.com/2010/04/28/e2publish-video-tutorials/
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvakUrX9Hvc
>
> What licensing do I use to hand it over?  MadComponents is MIT licensed -
> do I use the same?  Any particular text comment to put at the top of the
> source code?
Do you have something other than a video that we can read to learn more
about this code?

Do you actually own the code or was this done for a customer or employer?

Did anyone other than you contribute code?

Any other third-party components?

What is the current license for the code?

--
Alex Harui
Flex SDK Team
Adobe Systems, Inc.
http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui


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Re: Donation of TLF word processor

Daniel Freeman
>Do you have something other than a video that we can read to learn
more about this code?

Nothing else unless I build or write something for you.  I'm juggling my
time between a few things right now - what do you require?  It's pure
actionscript, and the UI is completely custom built.


>Do you actually own the code or was this done for a customer or employer?

This was a self-indulgent and time-consuming unfunded project.  (Like
MadComponents is!).


>Did anyone other than you contribute code?

No.


>Any other third-party components?

It uses Adobe's TLF, the Squiggly spell check, and as3corelib.swc


>What is the current license for the code?

I've never released the source to anyone - so no license right now.


On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Alex Harui <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
>
> On 2/22/13 8:54 PM, "Daniel Freeman" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > I've started a new thread for this, as the discussion started off-topic.
> >
> > I agreed to donate my TLF-based word processor to this group.
> >
> > @Harbs said he'd be interested to help getting it ready for donation -
> and
> > I wondered if anyone else would be interested in helping to get it ready?
> >
> > It was quite a sophisticated and self-indugent project.  Text Wrapping
> > wasn't its only novel feature.
> >
> > I've decided to bundle it with e2vector, as they share many classes, and
> > the two apps work together.
> >
> > http://e2easy.wordpress.com/2010/04/28/e2publish-video-tutorials/
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvakUrX9Hvc
> >
> > What licensing do I use to hand it over?  MadComponents is MIT licensed -
> > do I use the same?  Any particular text comment to put at the top of the
> > source code?
> Do you have something other than a video that we can read to learn more
> about this code?
>
> Do you actually own the code or was this done for a customer or employer?
>
> Did anyone other than you contribute code?
>
> Any other third-party components?
>
> What is the current license for the code?
>
> --
> Alex Harui
> Flex SDK Team
> Adobe Systems, Inc.
> http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
>
>
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Re: Donation of TLF word processor

Alex Harui



On 2/23/13 5:08 PM, "Daniel Freeman" <[hidden email]> wrote:

>> Do you have something other than a video that we can read to learn
> more about this code?
>
> Nothing else unless I build or write something for you.  I'm juggling my
> time between a few things right now - what do you require?  It's pure
> actionscript, and the UI is completely custom built.
I see, so is it Flex-compatible?

>> Any other third-party components?
>
> It uses Adobe's TLF, the Squiggly spell check, and as3corelib.swc
Personally, I'm not in a hurry to execute on a donation of a word processor
and I think the donation would be blocked until Squiggly gets donated, so it
might be best to put this on the table for a bit if you are short on time.

I want to hear from more folks to judge the priority of this donation, but
thanks for your generous offer.

--
Alex Harui
Flex SDK Team
Adobe Systems, Inc.
http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui


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Re: Donation of TLF word processor

Gavriel Harbater
Well, the way I see it is that there's the question of the project as a whole, and there's the question of pieces of it. Some of the functionality (such as text wrap) is something that has been requested quite a bit in the past. Maybe pieces of it can be added to the Flex components independent of the whole project. Tables is something that is missing in Flex as well. If that can be incorporated into Flex components, that should be very interesting too.

I actually did not realize that the project was so well developed. (Very impressive!) I wonder what could be done with the project as a whole. It looks quite interesting.

On Feb 24, 2013, at 8:36 AM, Alex Harui wrote:

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>
>
> On 2/23/13 5:08 PM, "Daniel Freeman" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>>> Do you have something other than a video that we can read to learn
>> more about this code?
>>
>> Nothing else unless I build or write something for you.  I'm juggling my
>> time between a few things right now - what do you require?  It's pure
>> actionscript, and the UI is completely custom built.
> I see, so is it Flex-compatible?
>
>>> Any other third-party components?
>>
>> It uses Adobe's TLF, the Squiggly spell check, and as3corelib.swc
> Personally, I'm not in a hurry to execute on a donation of a word processor
> and I think the donation would be blocked until Squiggly gets donated, so it
> might be best to put this on the table for a bit if you are short on time.
>
> I want to hear from more folks to judge the priority of this donation, but
> thanks for your generous offer.
>
> --
> Alex Harui
> Flex SDK Team
> Adobe Systems, Inc.
> http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
>


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Re: Donation of TLF word processor

Justin Mclean
Administrator
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Hi,

This is currently our second highest votes on issue:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33287

Would the donated code help with this?

Thanks,
Justin

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Re: Donation of TLF word processor

Daniel Freeman
Hi Justin,

Out of interest, what new feature has the most number of votes ?

I'm not enamoured with the idea of donating these apps just for asset
stripping.

If I was writing this flex component - I might borrowing a little from
something already written - but I'd be likely to write it afresh.

On the jira request - I see that Razvan Andei Surdu volunteered to write
this if someone with TLF expertise assisted him.  I could do that (subject
to other my commitments) - if he (or someone else) takes on the hard graft
development.

My e2publish app incorporates two text wrap algorithms.  A simple one, and
an advanced one.   The advanced one is based on TLF containers for each
line of text, so it is capable of this:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12556084/text-wrap-final.jpeg

(In my app - I get the user to draw around the image, rather than detecting
transparent pixels - but I'm sure automatic boundaries for images isn't too
hard).


On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Justin Mclean <[hidden email]>wrote:

> Hi,
>
> This is currently our second highest votes on issue:
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33287
>
> Would the donated code help with this?
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>
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Re: Donation of TLF word processor

Gavriel Harbater
Let's examine this further.

I can totally understand why you're not excited about your project being butchered. It looks like you put a lot of effort into it…

How do you see the project as a whole being useful as a donation? (It looks very cool, but I'm trying to understand the use case from the perspective of Apache.)

On Feb 26, 2013, at 2:20 PM, Daniel Freeman wrote:

> Hi Justin,
>
> Out of interest, what new feature has the most number of votes ?
>
> I'm not enamoured with the idea of donating these apps just for asset
> stripping.
>
> If I was writing this flex component - I might borrowing a little from
> something already written - but I'd be likely to write it afresh.
>
> On the jira request - I see that Razvan Andei Surdu volunteered to write
> this if someone with TLF expertise assisted him.  I could do that (subject
> to other my commitments) - if he (or someone else) takes on the hard graft
> development.
>
> My e2publish app incorporates two text wrap algorithms.  A simple one, and
> an advanced one.   The advanced one is based on TLF containers for each
> line of text, so it is capable of this:
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12556084/text-wrap-final.jpeg
>
> (In my app - I get the user to draw around the image, rather than detecting
> transparent pixels - but I'm sure automatic boundaries for images isn't too
> hard).
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Justin Mclean <[hidden email]>wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> This is currently our second highest votes on issue:
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33287
>>
>> Would the donated code help with this?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Justin
>>


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Re: Donation of TLF word processor

Gavriel Harbater
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Here's all issues sorted by popularity:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX#selectedTab=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.project%3Apopularissues-panel

Number 1 is a Maven/Flexmojos build:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33086

On Feb 26, 2013, at 2:20 PM, Daniel Freeman wrote:

> Out of interest, what new feature has the most number of votes ?


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Re: Donation of TLF word processor

Daniel Freeman
> How do you see the project as a whole being useful as a donation... from
the perspective of Apache?

Possibly as a cool showpiece for the capabilities of TLF.  But I'm ok if
Apache doesn't want to receive this.  If there's enough interest in it - I
might release the code as open source anyway - on github or google-code.

As I said, I can lend some advice and guidance to the development of your
text wrapping Flex component.

I'd just like to explore - - do you think there would be any interest from
Apache for my other projects?  MadComponents and MC3D.

MadComponents is a popular alternative to mobile Flex.
http://madskool.wordpress.com/2012/01/23/why-developers-are-using-madcomponents/

MC3D is my Stage3D enhancement to MadComponents, transitions and effects.
See:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5mx9YVDmyo

The justification in Apache managing these would probably be that they are
popular with AIR/Flash-Platform developers.  I'm almost ready to let go a
bit, and allow other developers more contribution.  Apache would be a great
way to manage this transition - if you feel it comes under your remit.
 Just an idea.



On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 10:45 PM, Harbs <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Here's all issues sorted by popularity:
>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX#selectedTab=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.project%3Apopularissues-panel
>
> Number 1 is a Maven/Flexmojos build:
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33086
>
> On Feb 26, 2013, at 2:20 PM, Daniel Freeman wrote:
>
> > Out of interest, what new feature has the most number of votes ?
>
>
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Re: Donation of TLF word processor

Justin Mclean
Administrator
In reply to this post by Daniel Freeman
HI,

> Out of interest, what new feature has the most number of votes ?
Maven support. You can take a look here:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX#selectedTab=com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.project%3Apopularissues-panel

Thanks,
Justin
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Re: Donation of TLF word processor

Alex Harui
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In theory, Apache is more about community than code.  Source code in Apache
is supposed to be there because the original contributor feels like it would
be better for more folks to contribute to continued development of the
source code.

Certainly you could argue that code being donated from Adobe doesn't conform
perfectly to these guidelines.  Apache Flex is warehousing source code that
you could argue is not going to see active development, but that's because I
think it is better to have the source code in Apache just in case someone
does need to fix a bug in it.

So for your code, the question is whether you want other folks to contribute
to it.  If you want to maintain some sort of control over what gets checked
in, then maybe it isn't a good fit for Apache.  And then there is the
question of whether there are is a community of folks who want to contribute
to your code.

I have no problem putting links on the Apache Flex site pointing to your
site as a member of the greater ecosystem of Flex and ActionScript.  Apache
Flex doesn't need to own every line of code anyone ever puts in their apps.

Now, if you want to start over with a new text layout engine, the FlexJS
framework I am working on will need something like that eventually.  Over
time it will need to achieve parity with what is possible in HTML and Adobe
is demoing the CSS Regions capability and we will need to match it.  TLF is
too heavy for my liking and I want to have fewer mismatches with HTML text
layout.  And when I get started on that, someone like you with experience
will be welcomed.  Also, you don't have to wait for me, you are welcome to
start on it yourself by offering up code.

HTH,
-Alex


On 2/26/13 5:54 AM, "Daniel Freeman" <[hidden email]> wrote:

>> How do you see the project as a whole being useful as a donation... from
> the perspective of Apache?
>
> Possibly as a cool showpiece for the capabilities of TLF.  But I'm ok if
> Apache doesn't want to receive this.  If there's enough interest in it - I
> might release the code as open source anyway - on github or google-code.
>
> As I said, I can lend some advice and guidance to the development of your
> text wrapping Flex component.
>
> I'd just like to explore - - do you think there would be any interest from
> Apache for my other projects?  MadComponents and MC3D.
>
> MadComponents is a popular alternative to mobile Flex.
> http://madskool.wordpress.com/2012/01/23/why-developers-are-using-madcomponent
> s/
>
> MC3D is my Stage3D enhancement to MadComponents, transitions and effects.
> See:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5mx9YVDmyo
>
> The justification in Apache managing these would probably be that they are
> popular with AIR/Flash-Platform developers.  I'm almost ready to let go a
> bit, and allow other developers more contribution.  Apache would be a great
> way to manage this transition - if you feel it comes under your remit.
>  Just an idea.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 10:45 PM, Harbs <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Here's all issues sorted by popularity:
>>
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX#selectedTab=com.atlassian.jira.plu
>> gin.system.project%3Apopularissues-panel
>>
>> Number 1 is a Maven/Flexmojos build:
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33086
>>
>> On Feb 26, 2013, at 2:20 PM, Daniel Freeman wrote:
>>
>>> Out of interest, what new feature has the most number of votes ?
>>
>>

--
Alex Harui
Flex SDK Team
Adobe Systems, Inc.
http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui


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Re: Donation of TLF word processor

Daniel Freeman
@Alex,  I think all three of my projects e2publish, MadComponents, MC3D -
have reached the stage where they'd benefit from other people contributing
- and I'm ready to relinquish control for that to happen.  But I'm not sure
I've raised much interest from people on these forums - so I'll probably
look elsewhere for contributors.  I'll release e2publish if people are
interested - if not - I won't.

The unfortunate popularity of MadComponents has demanded my time and
commitment beyond what I'm comfortable with.  A lot of that is to do
with responding to community enquiries - as opposed to coding.

I already have the burden of maintaining a popular community project - I'm
sure you understand why I politely decline your invitation to expand my
Apache contribution - far beyond what I volunteered to contribute.

The regions algorithm looks interesting.  But struggling to get low-level
HTML/JavaScript to do something sophisticated - consistently across
platforms/browsers - yuk!
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Re: Donation of TLF word processor

hferreira
@Daniel Freeman

I have interest on your code for a project.
Please contact me.

Thank you,
Hugo.



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