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Update on Adobe Flash Player End of Support from Microsoft today

Flex&Java Developer
Hi All,

I am not sure if anything has changed regarding Flash Player.

Wanted to clarify if Microsoft is saying that IE11 will still run Flash
Player post Dec 2020.

Can anyone share their understanding from below blog post today from
Microsoft ?

https://blogs.windows.com/msedgedev/2020/09/04/update-adobe-flash-end-support/


Regards,
Shyam
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Re: Update on Adobe Flash Player End of Support from Microsoft today

Greg Dove
That's interesting, it does sound like it might continue to be 'available'
in terms of 'function' after 2020 for player versions since June this year,
but disabled by default and not 'supported'in the old Edge and in IE11.
That interpretation is actually 'better' than I had understood it to be in
the past (I assumed it would cease to function after 2020). But I am still
not 100% clear on that after reading this.

I think it would probably require a very specific question and response
from Microsoft (and/or Adobe) to clarify this. It would be great if
Microsoft and Adobe published some FAQs on this...





On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 10:10 AM Flex&Java Developer <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I am not sure if anything has changed regarding Flash Player.
>
> Wanted to clarify if Microsoft is saying that IE11 will still run Flash
> Player post Dec 2020.
>
> Can anyone share their understanding from below blog post today from
> Microsoft ?
>
>
> https://blogs.windows.com/msedgedev/2020/09/04/update-adobe-flash-end-support/
>
>
> Regards,
> Shyam
>
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Re: Update on Adobe Flash Player End of Support from Microsoft today

Nicholas Kwiatkowski-2
Remember, unlike Firefox and Chrome, Microsoft didn't actually bundle or
package the Flash Player with their browsers.  They relied on the
desktop-installed Flash Player plugin.

So, it may be true that it will continue to run (they won't stop it), but
the Flash Player won't get any more bug or security updates.  Microsoft
/will/ encourage people to uninstall versions, and I expect that future
versions of virus scanners will flag it when the next big security issue
occurs.  Additionally, Adobe is going to stop distributing it, meaning that
new PCs or re-installs won't have access to versions directly from Adobe.

TLDR: this may buy us a few months, at best -- unless you have a locked
down, kiosk PC that you need to run the content.  Don't expect that the
Flash Player in the browser is going to be a viable option for much
longer...

-Nick

On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 1:10 AM Greg Dove <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Yes this gives some 'hope' :)
> But it is difficult to be sure.
>
> It does seem to contradict one statement in this page:
> https://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/end-of-life.html
> 'Flash-based content will be blocked from running in Adobe Flash Player
> after the EOL Date'
>
> Are there any Adobe employees reading this thread who could verify the
> interpretation of the Microsoft blog post?
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 2:45 PM Flex&Java Developer <[hidden email]
> >
> wrote:
>
> > Yes... i also thought all browsers  will stop running flash.
> > But this article seems to  suggest that Microsoft will still support
> Flash
> > player in IE11 post DEC 2020.
> > I also could not get clearly interpret this blog post if this is the
> case.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Shyam
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 5:27 PM Greg Dove <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > > That's interesting, it does sound like it might continue to be
> > 'available'
> > > in terms of 'function' after 2020 for player versions since June this
> > year,
> > > but disabled by default and not 'supported'in the old Edge and in IE11.
> > > That interpretation is actually 'better' than I had understood it to be
> > in
> > > the past (I assumed it would cease to function after 2020). But I am
> > still
> > > not 100% clear on that after reading this.
> > >
> > > I think it would probably require a very specific question and response
> > > from Microsoft (and/or Adobe) to clarify this. It would be great if
> > > Microsoft and Adobe published some FAQs on this...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 10:10 AM Flex&Java Developer <
> > > [hidden email]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi All,
> > > >
> > > > I am not sure if anything has changed regarding Flash Player.
> > > >
> > > > Wanted to clarify if Microsoft is saying that IE11 will still run
> Flash
> > > > Player post Dec 2020.
> > > >
> > > > Can anyone share their understanding from below blog post today from
> > > > Microsoft ?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://blogs.windows.com/msedgedev/2020/09/04/update-adobe-flash-end-support/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Shyam
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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Re: Update on Adobe Flash Player End of Support from Microsoft today

Greg Dove
> Microsoft didn't actually bundle or package the Flash Player with their
> browsers.


I'm sorry, but I don't think the above statement is correct, Nick.
Microsoft has had a custom flash player build for some time now. It was
many years ago a separate activex plugin from Adobe, but my understanding
is that in more recent years it has been a Microsoft custom build bundled
with the browsers. Flash player updates on windows are distributed via
windows update. It sounds like (from the Microsoft blog post) that the
changes beyond 2020 for continuing function might require switching to the
separate plugin, but I am not really sure about this yet.
On the flipside, I also did not think that Firefox bundled the player, but
maybe I missed that news. I have always just had the separate debug player
plugin installed for my Firefox browser, which still works fine as a plugin
(but if you are right about Firefox, then maybe I set up some
special config for that a long time ago, and forgot about it since).

Regardless, I certainly don't view this IE news as a 'long term solution',
assuming it does mean that we have extra time beyond 2020 for IE11. Like
you, I think it will possibly just 'buy us a few more months'. It doesn't
actually stop the need to migrate apps or content to html5, but it just
might provide a little more transition time.
But potentially it might mean that when porting apps to html5, there could
be greater willingness to avoid the need to officially support IE11 in the
html5 version, which is good news IMO. I think there are lots of extra nice
things in modern browsers that are closer to flash player capabilities
(which makes it easier to emulate the original flash content/app) than is
the case in IE11. Building html5 versions of flash content that are
IE11-compatible is extra work, or needs extra polyfills or compromises, so
if people are more inclined to ditch IE11, that is a good thing I think
(and hope).

Anyway, it still seems like we need some firm verification of these
details...

Cheers
Greg




On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 4:08 AM Nicholas Kwiatkowski <
[hidden email]> wrote:

> Remember, unlike Firefox and Chrome, Microsoft didn't actually bundle or
> package the Flash Player with their browsers.  They relied on the
> desktop-installed Flash Player plugin.
>
> So, it may be true that it will continue to run (they won't stop it), but
> the Flash Player won't get any more bug or security updates.  Microsoft
> /will/ encourage people to uninstall versions, and I expect that future
> versions of virus scanners will flag it when the next big security issue
> occurs.  Additionally, Adobe is going to stop distributing it, meaning that
> new PCs or re-installs won't have access to versions directly from Adobe.
>
> TLDR: this may buy us a few months, at best -- unless you have a locked
> down, kiosk PC that you need to run the content.  Don't expect that the
> Flash Player in the browser is going to be a viable option for much
> longer...
>
> -Nick
>
> On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 1:10 AM Greg Dove <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Yes this gives some 'hope' :)
> > But it is difficult to be sure.
> >
> > It does seem to contradict one statement in this page:
> > https://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/end-of-life.html
> > 'Flash-based content will be blocked from running in Adobe Flash Player
> > after the EOL Date'
> >
> > Are there any Adobe employees reading this thread who could verify the
> > interpretation of the Microsoft blog post?
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 2:45 PM Flex&Java Developer <
> [hidden email]
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Yes... i also thought all browsers  will stop running flash.
> > > But this article seems to  suggest that Microsoft will still support
> > Flash
> > > player in IE11 post DEC 2020.
> > > I also could not get clearly interpret this blog post if this is the
> > case.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Shyam
> > >
> > > On Fri, Sep 4, 2020 at 5:27 PM Greg Dove <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > That's interesting, it does sound like it might continue to be
> > > 'available'
> > > > in terms of 'function' after 2020 for player versions since June this
> > > year,
> > > > but disabled by default and not 'supported'in the old Edge and in
> IE11.
> > > > That interpretation is actually 'better' than I had understood it to
> be
> > > in
> > > > the past (I assumed it would cease to function after 2020). But I am
> > > still
> > > > not 100% clear on that after reading this.
> > > >
> > > > I think it would probably require a very specific question and
> response
> > > > from Microsoft (and/or Adobe) to clarify this. It would be great if
> > > > Microsoft and Adobe published some FAQs on this...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 10:10 AM Flex&Java Developer <
> > > > [hidden email]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi All,
> > > > >
> > > > > I am not sure if anything has changed regarding Flash Player.
> > > > >
> > > > > Wanted to clarify if Microsoft is saying that IE11 will still run
> > Flash
> > > > > Player post Dec 2020.
> > > > >
> > > > > Can anyone share their understanding from below blog post today
> from
> > > > > Microsoft ?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://blogs.windows.com/msedgedev/2020/09/04/update-adobe-flash-end-support/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Shyam
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>